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a great woman indeed!
RIP
First of all let me just say that I know almost nothing of Mrs. King.
But it reminds me of how the media and popular belief mold and chnage the true actions/events/contributions of popular people.
For example:
Mother Theresa - was not the saint people really think she was. She used almost all of the money to build her little empire and really did not funnell the money to the actaul children. There have been many books writtenon this subject.
Dhali Lama - He allowed the Lama class to repress and shit upon the non-Lama class in Nepal for years.
It's the grandiose effect. The image or memory of someone or something takes on it's course regardless of the true facts.
So no disrespect to the aforementioned women.
Believe none of what you hear, half of what you read and beware of relying on site and by no means, NEVER ever trust memory.
Hi. I just didn't want that comment to the last word.
Rocketstar - It is easier to canonize the dead than to villify them. I agree with you on that point. At their funerals and memorial services, people are remembered as being greater than they were. We choose not to speak badly of the dead, even if it is the truth.
But to suggest that the media and popular belief shape the perception of Mrs. King, rather than her actions, is false. You came right out and said that you know little about her; how can you make that judgement? Are you suggesting that Mrs. King does not deserve the accolades she has received for her work as a pioneer of the Civil Rights movement? And are we to believe that you've done more research on the inner motivations of Mother Theresa and the Dalai Lama than on one of our country's most noteworthy citizens?
I looked into this criticism of Mother Theresa, since that example hit particularly close to home for me as a Catholic. The harshest criticism of Mother Theresa seems to come from Christopher Hitchens, a social commentator for Vanity Fair. Vanity Fair?! Seriously?!
Given your fairly esoteric view of Coretta Scott King, I'm assuming that your aim was simply to be provocative for provocative's sake. Maybe you should do a little research and get back to us.
Lauren,
Maybe I didn't do a good enough job of caveating my comment.
My comment had NOTHING to do with King. I stated in the beginning that I knew little of her and at the end again stated no disrespect to the women.
As far as the Lama and Mother Theresa, I ouwl contend that yes, they both did some good things for humanity but they also did some true dis-services to humanity.
The media and public DO mold and change the reality of any figure, story, event.
Lauren,
I know I shouldn't even be typing right now given what a bad week I am having but for the sake of discussion I fully agree with Rockets assessment. I will abstain from commenting on Mrs. King other than to say I can think of many more noteworthy citizens to do research on and glorify. I object to the notion that one has to maintain some research balance between foreign and domestic personalities, in a global economy you are in need of both. If we are talking U.S civil rights in particular praise E.D Nixon, A. Philip Randolph the people who gave birth to the Montgomery movement that sparked the lives of MLK, Rosa Parks etc. they are incredibly interesting and noble and have faded into obscurity.
Speaking of research given your religiously biased view you might want to Google little more on mother Theresa, Try Mother Theresa and Duvalier of Haiti, Mother Theresa denies capital expenditures for modern medicine equipment in favor of traditional care, Mother Theresa curries favors from government officials, some essays in the India star on mother Theresa's secret mission to India: Conversion to Christianity and its costs, Mental Floss Mother Teresa's Scotch Habit to name a few.
I appreciate the ability to go after scared cows, what I think to Rockets point is extremely valid why do we have such a hard time admitting that we are all human and make mistakes, do questionable things. We do we feel the need to put people beyond reproach, why can't we accept life's paradox that I can do really great things and really bad things and still be a good person.
Hey Dem:) I swear I am a liberal....lol
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Rocketstar....Are U kidding me!
First of all, this is the wrong blog to show disrespect to First Lady of Civil Rights in this nation, Coretta Scott King, what she stood for, and what she has done in her long life. You may say, you didn't mean it that way, but I wonder what U really mean it? I also wonder what those people you said deserved more have done for me, or for you or for this nation or for this world? I however think there is a deeper argument here, it just shows once again the level of ignorance that some people show to what really King stood for and what his wife have done after his death, even if it means helping this nation and many nations across the world understand hatred could be solved with passion and love for each other.
Your educated man, and you have read history? Hasn't U? Where else on earth did Coretta Scott King went wrong? She inspired the world with her courage, dignity and tireless devotion to preserving Dr. King's legacy, or was his legacy something not to be proud of and show that proudness in their deaths? I would love to hear your take on that....
Brian in Mpls...Hope your week gets better....
Brian, Ok I get it, your liberal. Yes, I'm really surprised, you mentioning one of the most important labor individuals Philip Randolph who was one of the great labor idealists of the 20th century, and who gave more time on labor issues than King did, that you come back to name him as noteworthy, while saying labor is dead yourself not that long ago........Remember agreed to disagree on labor. Yes, as a great labor leader he has been left behind, but who did? Coretta Scott King? Or the same people who don't appreciate what labor have done for them, and never remember the labor men and women who stood for them for so long, for U/me/other to spend our 40hrs a week with ease...lol......
It's disgusting, so what does not liking modern medicine has to do with Greatness of Mother Theresa? RIP Mother.
I don't know how many times I have to point this out, I did not disrespect the lady.
I stated twice in my post that my comments were not pointed at Mrs King, as I know very little of her.
All I was saying is that it reminded me of other instances where public opinion was skewed.
Maybe the problem is with this medium of communication, innotanation, fluctuation is lost.
Ok.
But you understand why saying "may be there are others, so and so.." may be taken as disrespect?
Mmmmhhh... where did I say, "may be there are others, so and so.."
I don't see that.
Rocketstar.....since I don't know U personally, I leave it as such....
These are what U wrote, and read them again, and see why I think it was wrong!!!!!
"Believe none of what you hear, half of what you read and beware of relying on site and by no means, NEVER ever trust memory".
"But it reminds me of how the media and popular belief mold and chnage the true actions/events/contributions of popular people"
"It's the grandiose effect. The image or memory of someone or something takes on it's course regardless of the true facts".
I will take your word......Peace
"Believe none of what you hear,...".
You obviously have to take that staement with a grain of salt. It's more of a thought to always keep in the back of your mind as information today is very diluted/biased/interpreted etc...
"But it reminds me of how the media and popular belief mold"
This is 100% true. Throughout history stories, events facts get distorted by opinions/bad memeory/bias etc...
So yes, I do see how you may have read my post as a dig on Mrs King. I should have done a better job at qualifying my statements.
Peace to Mrs King.
Dem,
Please forgive me I never meant to say that labor movement doesn't have it's place in the world or that history isn't grateful for the sacrifice individuals have made to insure our workplace. Some of my biggest heroes as you can see where labor rights people. Right now there is tremendous opportunity for labor in third world countries and yes certain aspects of business in the US. Developing countries could benefit enormously from the labor, I guess the point that I was trying to get is that the labor movement in the U.S has changed and will further change as we move further and further to a knowledge based economy vs. a manufacturing economy....it is not as easy to replace an engineer as I is a grave digger I know that is a poor example but perhaps it illustrates a point. I am not anti-labor but working for company that is going through tough times with its union UAW I can tell you that in my personal experience we need to change how we think about labor today while still respecting what labor movements of the past has done for us.
Mother Theresa my point goes that she pushed her own agenda to the detriment of the very people she was trying to help. Forcing all nuns working with the poor to be Catholic. Should religious preference matter if we are only concerned about helping people? My comment about modern medicine goes to the fact that mother Theresa refused to buy and employee modern equipment that could have benefited or saved lives because it did not agree with her preferences. To illustrate this point would we deem a person heroic who employed leeches to help people when other methods were available because they stuck to there principles even when we know better methods are available? Again maybe not the best example but best I could think of off the top.
Thanks for the well wishes, I hope this week gets better too. Hope you are well, Make it to the Walker last Sat. by any chance? Maybe I saw you then…lol… Hey BTW off the subject I live in South Minneapolis and hang out at a variety of bars and coffee houses having discussions just like this, let me know if you would ever be interested in a pint or a cup of joe.
Let mw know if this counter point view items ever get too out of hand ok I don’t ever want to disrespect your audience or you, I just enjoy good discussion. I think this is what America is lacking just open an honest discussion between opposing views.
Ok. Rocketstar, thanks.....
Brian, I wished, that was me....No, I have been busy with school and volunteering work, that I haven't hard time to realy enjoy the gifts of this city, Arts. Yeah man, that sounds good, just email me your contact info.....
Not really man, keep them coming...I like healthy debates...
Wow, sorry it took me so long to check back on this post! Healthy debate indeed!
And since I put in my two cents earlier, I'll do so again... To Brian and Rockets' point that media and popular opinion shape our perception of others, I totally agree. Hi, I'm in public relations, it is my CAREER to shape the public's perception! I also agree (as I said in my original comment) that we tend to canonize people after they've died. Were we too afraid to tell people what we thought of them in life, and are too afraid to tell them in death? We've been conditioned not to "speak ill of the dead." It is just a social thing.
Nice debates here, guys! I'm hopeful that no one took it as a personal attack...thank God we have a forum to debate like this!
RIP Mrs. King
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